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[16 May 2006|01:12pm]

Nothing posted here in a while so I thought I'd write a bit.

I'm a white living in South Africa, how does that make you feel? What are your first thoughts and feelings upon hearing that?

I ask because upon meeting many africans that dont live here they look at me as if by some osmosis due to skin colour and location I am similar to the evil colonial old farts that commited atrocities here a long time ago. I dont suffer from "white guilt" and I find I relate to anyone regardless, I have to actively seek out cross-racial friendships, just because I am in a higher income bracket or "class" (what a terrible word) doesnt mean I dont want to be friends with people below the poverty line. I intensly dislike falsely perceived separation of any sort and have found that I have to activley go out and seek discusion, whether it be to the local shebeen at a settlement or the local bars.

I have no idea of my bloodline / ancestory, I consider us all to be of one parentage anyway and I go to great length to not separate things into neat boxes. I am and have been very interested in traditional african beliefs for a very long time, the mythogeography of S.Africa is an obsession of mine, I consider myself tied to this land in mysterious ways.

And lastly, have any of you read Credo Mutwa's "Indaba my Children"? I consider that book as well as Ben Okri's "The Famished Road" the ultimate in African gothic...
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http://d0ga.proboards54.com/ for anime and bondage [13 Oct 2005|10:32pm]

[ mood | curious ]

well I apologize for promoting the forum as my first post but I have more to say. really

basically I noticed while reading the info of the community about witch craft and what not, while I belive that I have some goth in me I just wanted to know about the religous views of the other people here.

I'm not the type of person who will say that something is right or wrong *it's more like what works for you might not work for me* but I just wanted to know how the people view christianity since my moral code is 80% christan ideals.

other than that I would like to say, hello my name is noland.

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? [11 Oct 2005|02:17pm]

Does anyone know of any online classes that I can take?
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This kind of stuff pisses me off [10 Aug 2005|10:05am]
[ mood | pissed off ]



OMG, stories about Protestant preachers who save Haitian children from the devil religion Voodoo!!! Haiti was dedicated to Satan in a Voodoo ceremony in 1791, and now the "love of Christ" is being spread on the poverty-stricken, "godless" former slave colony!!!

While the rectum from heaven rains down golden, glittering showers of piss upon the rest of us...

Oh, and new community: yoruba_world Its self-explanatory, so get your ass in gear.


PS: moving to Oglethorpe U in the ATL come the 27th.

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About the Live 8 concert series [05 Jul 2005|06:06pm]
[ mood | angry ]

Sorry for the cynicism, but I find the Live 8 concert series to be slightly unrealistic in its motives.

I mean, the campaign to erase poverty in the Third World, especially Africa: I know that this series may put pressure on the G8 to write off the debt for the world's poorest nations, but I mean, come on! These countries are only going to rack up another string of debt in the next few decades, while many of them will also continue to sponsor domestic terrorism against their own people in order to keep themselves in power.

I mean, what will come out of this? Will this be the reason that the world's biggest lenders will offer in the coming decades for why Africa is still in poverty, or, worse, in debt to them again (in a "see, it wasn't my fault after Live 8" type of fashion)?

Furthermore, if the G8 is going to eradicate poverty in the Third World, then why couldn't they have done it before, say, President Aristide was overthrown in Haiti back last year? Haiti is, like most of sub-Saharan Africa, a predominately-"Black" country, in fact, the world's first Black republic. Aristide was trying his best to help the Haitian people through government programs; however, the money and resources which were needed to bring Haiti back from the point of starvation were nonexistent, thanks to the U.S.'s tendency to whip the rebellious stepchild's ass.

And even after Aristide, a purpoted "dictator" in the eyes of the Western media (which has never liked Haiti since 1804), was overthrown with overt U.S., Canadian, and French support, things have gone from bad to worse in that country. Thank you, G8!

As far as I'm concerned, the Live 8 concert series is only serving the paternalistic attitude of the West, and all of its efforts can burn in hell.

Oh, so you can help the hungry people of a far-away continent, but when they are at your doorstep, you can treat them like shit? No...fucking...way!

Again, sorry for the cynicism.

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sorry for the mad xposting [12 Mar 2005|04:36pm]
firstly, if this type of post is not allowed, accept my apologies and
please remove it. thank you.

this is a call.

because some of you out there may know someone who will fit the
following, pass it along, share. i want this to be a thriving open
community. please visit the forums and post your ideas and thoughts. we are looking for artists of all types, authors, and more.

yes, that's my mug on the main page.


We are here.

We know that you see us, the double takes aren't that subtle.

Our existence is like a myth within our own community, a joke, an
obvious sign of our own internal self hatred. Or so you think.

We are not Oreos, we do not want to be in any skin other than the
melanin rich shades of earth we have been bestowed.

We have idols that stretch the gamut from the guitar wizardry of Jimi
Hendrix, to the gritty punk of Bad Brains.

We walk tall in our Docs, and Vans and vinyl boots to mosh, dance, and
spit fire as poets. We skate, we sing, we are submissive and we are

We are as varied as our shades but we all recognize our unifying
difference from the pack.

Just as every other group has subcultures so does the community of
African-Americans, though behind the stereotypes both internal and
external they can sometimes become lost in the concept of "keeping it

Welcome to DoubleBlack, an E-zine for alternative black culture. Our
mission here is to provide a venue for stories, photos, album & show
reviews and anything else relating to our experiences in subcultures
thought unknown among African-Americans.

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Just made a few adjustments to this community [07 Mar 2005|02:27am]
I've taken the road oft taken and made this community a strictly-modded community, as we've picked up some bad "vibes", as many of you have seen.

I got tired of trying to explain this community to people who would rather not see this community in existence, so it made sense to put a defensive shell over this community. Sure, of course I desire objectivity, as one would desire for ANY community, but what virus_x posted was FAR from objective: it was an unintelligent, indiscriminate attack on this community's existence. So I suggest this to all who may join and post here in the future: show objectivity, show intelligence, but do not come here as a demagogue. If you do, then I will be obligated to suspend you quicker than you came in (and don't let the door hit you on the way out).

This is african_gothic, yes, it IS a frickin oxymoron of a title, and it is MEANT to be. Any further explanation is on the userinfo page, so I HOPE that I don't have to explain this community to anyone anymore.
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o.........k then? [28 Feb 2005|01:43am]
[ mood | curious ]

Well anyway, I wonder if anyone has ever made a movie based upon, or a documentary about the Haitian Revolution (1791-1804), or, if neither actually exists, is there one in the works?

A good book to base the movie on would be "Papa Toussaint" by C. Richard Gillespie (http://www.towson.edu/~richard/table.html, if anyone here cares to read it online).

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rastafarians [31 Jan 2005|02:55am]


- a community for everything rasta!
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pardon [28 Jan 2005|11:51am]

I'm sorry ..but do you have a clue???? I was born and grew up in Africa (Zimbabwe and South Africa) now this community has nothing to do with its name in any way I can tell except for ppl who ahve never even been to Africa to complain and frankly don't seem any more goth than a kid who wears black and bad make-up .....that my freinds is a pop culture if I ever did see one ..and its NOT goth by any standards... so you say you don't care about what people say.....well i could say I'm the Pope ..but does that make it true???? no ....
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Greetings [23 Jan 2005|11:59am]

I found this LJ community by accident and I am glad I did.

An Afro-Canadian,I, too, was raised Roman Catholic and while I do not practise the faith anymore I do attend Mass on occasion. I am known to refer to myself as "culturally Roman Catholic" and find the practise of paganism in Toronto is not too far different from that of RCatholicism. I started going to the Wiccan Church of Canada in 1990(1?) and was active for a few years but got frustrated by the conservativism of the WCC and by the covert racism (or liberal bloodletting) of some of its members [in hindsight I realise my problem was classism -- I had a university education, B.A. in Classics and History and many of the WCC members did not]. I did undergo a Pagan Dedication ceremony in 2000 and while I do not identity as Wiccan I do describe myself as a Pagan and Ishtaritu.

My expression of my pagan identity is now taking another route. I want to be able to express my sensuality and sexuality (I am Bisexual) within my Pagan practice. But as I do my "studies" I am finding that while want to be able to draw from the past I feel the need to create a new means of "practice". I have been looking at song, dance, and yes even sex, as expressions of pagan ritual.
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Hey, I'm new... [03 Dec 2004|07:54pm]

[ mood | anxious ]

I'm really glad I found this community. I'm part African-American (from my dad's side) also a bunch of European things... and my mom's entirely Filipino.

I'm not really sure what to say.... I was raised catholic. Went to catholic elementary and high schools even though I didn't consider myself catholic... My parents are very religious so that didn't go too well with them. I'm not really anything... I lean more towards Wicca I guess but I follow Hades and I have really strong personal beliefs. That is my religion.

My friends have never really thought of me as African. I'm one of the few Afro-Americans they know and they always pretty much thought of me as 'gothic'. I think that's pretty sad. Usually people think of African Americans as the stereotypical rap freak (no offense to anyone who likes rap of course) with a bad attitude, 'black' accent, and foul mouth... but because I'm not really like that people have seemed to have forgotten my heritage.

I hope I'm welcome here...

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[26 Nov 2004|08:59pm]

[ mood | curious ]

hello there,
my name is tamara and i am a afrcan american who was raised in a church and i still do believe that there is a God and that he is there for me for no matter what and that he is going to be there during his time and not my time. sorry about that ^_^...umm...well, i am dating a wounderful person who has been there for me through thick and thin and understands that i am goth and that he doesn't have a problem with it ^_^. i am a college student attend palm beach atlantic university which is in west palm beach, florida. i was raised as an military/army brat...and now my parents are in atlanta (that's where my boyfriend is). let's see what else about me...well, i do like to listen to evanescence, linkin park, jeremy camp, rebecca st. james, switchfoot, seether and etc (besides country- i don't like country at all >_<). well, that's all that i have to say about my self. if you want to add as me as friend i really don't mind at all ^_^.

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[20 Oct 2004|08:14am]

There are LJ promotion communities that say they're open to any type of communities, but delete the ad about my pagan community simply because it's pagan. It's hypocrisy and completely inconvenient for me. Therefore, I must ask the moderators of this community to forgive me, but I have few other ways to send this around, especially to the Wiccan community.


For those who are pagan and live in NJ, I invite you!
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Zim Ngqawana [12 Sep 2004|08:01pm]
Has anyone ever listened to Zim Ngqawana? I saw one of his music videos on LinkTV, "Qulu Kwedini", a while back (the hook sounds alot like that of the song "Azimbonanga" by Johhny Clegg and Savuka). He's an avant-garde jazz musician from South Africa, whose music I think sounds very gothic, in a Johhny Cash/Lokua Kanza kinda way.

If so, does anyone have access to his music? I cant find any of it on Limewire, argh.
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Found this post at the Afro-Diasporian community [22 Aug 2004|06:29pm]
[ mood | okay ]


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Africa dream, or, my decision to reject Christianity [13 Aug 2004|06:09pm]
[ mood | contemplative ]

Being raised in the black church since I was young, Ive never felt at ease with being a Christian. I find the hypocrisy and bullshit of black christians a turn-off to me, and this led me to reject Christianity in its whole some months back.

Im a history buff, especially in the realm of African and Afro-diasporian history and culture. and Ive read about Vodun and african religion. so i wonder: how can our traditional beliefs be so vilified and demonized by African americans, especially those who are of the christian religion?

i guess its kinda relative: with european people in europe, north america, and australasia, traditional european religion (including Wicca) is looked down upon just as severely.

strange though: people of extremely dark skin complexion who live in someplace Muslim (or Ethiopian orthodox) like Sudan are thought to be witches, just like how people in the western world customarilly demonize people who wear all black clothes and pale white makeup as THE EXACT SAME THING....

Wierd, aint it?

Christianity and Islam suck.

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